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April 08, 2009

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QUITE SO, 802 - AND IT ALWAYS COMES BACK TO JUST ANOTHER WAY TO BASH THE RMA, THE WHIPPING BOY FOR ALL THOSE WHO CAN'T QUITE HACK IT.

It seems that the latest "hook" around here is the audition/tenure process. Since all recording business (film, records, jungles,TV etc.) comes under the heading of free-lance gigs, the whole idea of tenure is nonsense. As far as I know, auditioning for a free-lance job is not allowed by the AFM.

Next hook - I mean case.......

802,

You're right of course, there's more to getting and keeping a gig playing in an orchestra than just auditioning, but auditioning would help open the door and keep talent, rather than one's political views, as the focus of the selection process. I agree there would need to be some sort of measure as to whether someone "plays well with others", but I'm sure something could be worked out if the will was actually there to implement an effective audition process.

Sadly, that isn't the case, and we're left with politics and the current good-ole-boy (and girl) system where a musician's career hangs by a thread based on the whims of a few large contractors. Sure, talent must be there in order to get the gig, but since there are far more talented players than gigs, politics quickly becomes one of the deciding factors. Tenure, properly earned, is a good thing. Tenure, awarded to oneself because of political connections, is nothing more than cronyism. Big difference.


Further thoughts on auditions -

I have known a number of cases wherein the orchestral candidates played perfectly, sight-read phenomenally and, (figuratively) had the score been turned upside-down, would have still read it off perfectly.

These players didn't make tenure because they couldn't fit in with their sections. Auditions aren't everything.

Sorry Anonymous - I meant from Keys88:

From Anonymous:

aReal? Antony? 802? The thought of competing on an even playing field (blind auditions) must scare the hell out of you guys

I played in 5 ICSOM orchestras. Other studio musicians have played in well-known chamber groups or have been university faculty instructors on their instruments. Further, there's a union rule prohibiting musicians from auditioning for free-lance work which, since the demise of full-time studio orchestras, is what current film work has been.

What scares me is seeing what the AFM is devolving to.

From Blanc:

802fiddler -- yes, I'll take a market operating freely over one controlled by RMA any day.

Fine! Then I hope he's prepared to be paid Bratislava (T. Lee's favorite locale) rates while having to pay US rent/mortgage.

NOW THAT 'DOWNBEAT' HAS MORPHED INTO 'KEYS88', WE SEE THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED: SAME BS, SAME VITRIOL, DIFFERENT NAME.

I'm not that familiar with the symphony orchestra blind audition process, perhaps some of the symphony folks here could discuss that further.

My concern is that the current situation in LA for film scoring orchestras is rife with cronyism, fear, and a good-ole-boy club mentality where talent in some cases takes a back seat to politics when it comes to choosing an orchestra from the many, many qualified players who want to be doing this work. If there is to be tenure, let it be earned in a formal program over time where one's proven talent is the basis for granting it. Auditions should be held regularly, and until someone achieves tenure, they should be obligated to audition again (blind, to eliminate politics) on a regular basis to ensure open competition with newcomers. Let them have an annual contract to be on the "list" with the major contractors so there is at least some token amount of job security, even if it's only being on a list (vs not being on a list).

There is no formal system for newcomers to become recording musicians in LA, short of a lot of butt kissing and sucking up, and hoping that one of the "old boys" will drop out of the business for some reason, be forced out for one reason or another, throw a few sessions to them out of pity, or retire. Politics is rife, and the cozy relationship between the RMA and the major contractors (they come to RMA and Local 47 meetings, notebooks in hand to keep track of who's naughty and who's nice!) has led to an incestuous situation where politics can be at least as important as talent, which is now merely a prerequisite. It's an unhealthy situation where fear, cronyism, obligatory conformity, and a good-ole-boy mentality are far too common. Add to this the fact that many contractors have their hands in every pot, getting scale wages, special payments, and a cut of the payroll if they do that service. Simply put, a few of these people can make or break a recording musician's career. Far too much power in the hands of a political few.

Our young people should be given opportunities to compete for spots in these orchestras without having to degrade themselves by sucking up to the status quo keepers. Blind auditions, perhaps held annually as a "qualification" for newcomers and requalification for those not yet achieving tenure, would go a long way to eliminate the dangers of a politically-based selection system including sexism, ageism, and cronyism. It would properly return the focus to one's talent, rather than one's political connections.

No comment on the idea of blind, open auditions (like the symphony folks already have) for film scoring orchestras? Robert, you're a symphony guy, what's your take on this?

aReal? Antony? 802? The thought of competing on an even playing field (blind auditions) must scare the hell out of you guys

Well, *re*auditioning in blind auditions would scare the hell out of symphony players, that's for darn sure!

It depends on what you mean by auditioning for film scoring orchestras. If you mean, an audition for every new film that comes along, then it's not at all comparable. If you mean, audition once, do well enough to get tenure/called back, then keep up enough skills and good behavior to not get fired/not called back, then, well, both fields are frighteningly similar ;)


No comment on the idea of blind, open auditions (like the symphony folks already have) for film scoring orchestras? Robert, you're a symphony guy, what's your take on this?

aReal? Antony? 802? The thought of competing on an even playing field (blind auditions) must scare the hell out of you guys. You won't even talk about it! I wonder how you guys would do in blind auditions compared to the latest crop of conservatory graduates, or veteran symphony players, or the "hobbyists" try so hard to discredit, or even the B-list guys you've put out of work by driving the buyout jobs to Seattle, etc.

That's the real test of talent. The rest, as they say, is politics.

"I cannot and will not enter into any further discussions on these matters....all it does is further incite hatred already in place with further slanted nonsense." - Antony Cooke

I'm with you, bro. This is pointless; the inmates have taken over the asylum.

Antony says unnamed people at the AFM want to "take down recording musicians"... huh? The AFM survives, in part, based on the work dues paid BY recording musicians. His statement defies common sense. Spin, spin, spin...

Antony, it is becoming impossible to take you seriously.

It seems I've stirred up a hornets' nest! What many people have suspected is in play regarding the agenda of some to take down recording musicians has certainly been confirmed by all that we read here. It's always easy to blame someone or something for one's inabilities to succeed in any chosen field. Never have scapegoats been more targeted or maligned than those who staked their futures and careers on the good faith and contracts of legitimately negotiated AFM contracts.

There are so many misconceptions flying around now that's it's not possible to address any of them. Emotions have taken over. The AFM leadership under Tom Lee has most successfully created a monster to hate within its own ranks. The last AFM Convention was witness to one colossal assault on recording musicians - on its very own members in good standing. What other union has done this and still would expect success? Young musicians with any aspirations at all will probably run away from the AFM as fast as they can. Why would they invite such tyrannical attacks on their future potential for success? What possible trust could they put in AFM contracts, when all of a sudden they might become pariahs?

If the AFM can only attack its own, then it is a sad day. The RMA, long the only voice speaking for those who are good enough to make a living in recording - and an AFM Player Conference at that - was formed because the AFM was unwilling, or incapable of providing for these members' interests. To see it so assaulted without the slightest discomfort from official places in the AFM is extremely disturbing, to say the least. I cannot and will not enter into any further discussions on these matters, because all it does is further incite hatred already in place with further slanted nonsense.

The AFM has been nowhere to be seen in trying to help where recording work truly was in peril (TV, records, and jingles), but in attack mode against those who are successful in film scoring. Apparently the AFM is to become an organization of wannabe's. God help anyone who aspires to excel as a musician, and be rewarded as such.

Thank you Keys88, a little reality is refreshing!

Too much kool-aid tends to deaden critical thinking!

Sadly, some of these people actually think that they're more talented than those who are not fortunate enough to be working as much. They seem to forget that the FIRST THING you learn when you go to LA is that there are way more talented musicians than there are opportunities to play and record. That's when the political issues kick in - having some luck, not to mention a fair dose of sucking up and kissing butt as necessary to get "in" with the contractors. Simply put, more work does not necessarily mean more talent.

Since when do the (few) major LA contractors hold open, blind auditions for film/TV session work? Huh? Seems like that would only be fair, so you don't end up with politically-chosen people who occupy positions for years like deadwood, desperately trying to fool themselves and others into believing that it's really only their talent that got them there (and keeps them there). In the face of blind, open auditions, I wonder how many of today's "elite" recording musicians might have their workload quickly reduced to the "hobbyist" level they have such contempt for. Talk about open, fair competition, not to mention giving newer folks a shot at the work. But somehow, I don't think we'll see the RMA pushing for anything like that anytime soon. Too many "jobs for the boys" to protect at ANY COST.

The next generation of recording musicians deserves better than to have to wait in line while the current chosen few focus only on the short term and themselves while they desperately drive the system into the ground, trying to squeeze out everything they can get before the whole thing collapses.

An inference based on nothing -- an emotional reaction to criticism.

"Your command of the language seems weak, reflecting unfavorably on your capacity to think critically." - Ric Blanc

Boy, what a snit. You think you're SO good. Unfortunately, your bitterness seems to imply the rest of the world doesn't.

802fiddler -- yes, I'll take a market operating freely over one controlled by RMA any day.

Perfectly stated, 802!

aREAL -- I hope for your sake you are better with understanding notes on a page than you are with words on a page. You are passionate for sure but are you educated? Your command of the language seems weak, reflecting unfavorably on your capacity to think critically.

The obvious point is that many of us understand that the RMA doesn't represent OUR interests.

Correct! If you are satisfied with the AFM's hobbyist structure; if you think that recording should be done everywhere in the USA at whatever rates are decided on by part-time musician dominated locals; if you think that AFM recording contracts should be negotiated by AFM-IEB members who know little about the business but think that recording musicians should be taxed to support the AFM's terminally flawed structure; if you believe that the 1961 Guild's (RMA forerunner) settlement with the AFM that brought us pension, health and royalties was wrong - then the RMA doesn't represent YOUR interests.

"the RMA doesn't represent OUR interests. On the contrary in fact." - Ric Blanc

Which means it does.

Now aReal wants to tell us what to believe too. Don't believe your eyes and ears! Look at the Emperor's new clothes! Beautiful babe. Awesome dude. That the RMA is pursuing its own interests is not in dispute -- otherwise there wouldn't be an RMA. The obvious point is that many of us understand that the RMA doesn't represent OUR interests. On the contrary in fact.

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